Rubrics:

Because of the brevity of the time standing to the disposal the remaining items are discussed summarizing.

A discussion begun about the purpose and the previous success of the forum.

The president of the German club Peter Brieskorn gives a report over the reasons from which the forum came into being. The first goal, collecting of data for the breeding-esteem, is almost succeeded. The cooperation with Switzerland and Denmark is successful. With Italy, it gives some couples of difficult, because the umbrella organization doesn't stand behind the matter.

All data are stored and processed in the TG-Verlag in Gießen. Until now, one registered HD, ED, skin, eye-lid and tenseness of the skin. Question is, whether also the nature shall be integrated.

At the moment in Germany one draws up a nature-test, that is enforced with the breeding-license-test. Primarily the public should be demonstrated, that the clubs do something. Before the Government makes by direction a force, we must begin.

Then, Peter Brieskorn gives to the meeting another last piece of information over the course of the event. A parade with approximately. 90 St. Bernards through Lichtenfels should demonstrate to the public, that our dogs show no problems.

The remaining agenda-items are postponed till the next year because of the missing time.

Wolfgang Ketzler thanks the delegates and guests for the good cooperation and wishes all another beautiful weekend and much success with the show.

(Erika Kalscheuer)

1. Secretary

MINUTES

of the judges-meeting at the 25.05.2001

in Lichtenfels/Germany

Beginning: 09.30 o'clock - end 12.15 o'clock

Present:

R. van Hoenacker                                                 - Belgium -

J. van Hummelen                                                   - Belgium -

Paul Baelen                                                           - Belgium -

Herma Broeckaert (candidat)                 - Belgium -

Kay Klysner                                                           - Denmark -

Kim V. Nielsen                                                        - Denmark -

Carl-Otto Mastrup                                                   - Denmark -

Peter Brieskorn                                                      - Germany -

Erika Kalscheuer                                                                                                                  - Germany -

Günter Prause                                                                                                                      - Germany -

Annegret Splinter                                                   - Germany -

Lutz Waßmann                                                                                                                      - Germany -

Reinhold Welsch                                                    - Germany -

Edgar Kindler                                                         - Germany -

Werner Brammer                                                   - Germany -

Max Ruß                                                               - Germany -

Marianne Ruß (cand.)                                           - Germany -

Hermann Evers                                                     - Germany -

Werner Schmid                                                      - Germany -

Jakob Steiber                                                         - Germany -

Pat Muggleton                                                                                                                       - England -

Maureen Gwilliam                                                  - England -

Dr. Giovanni Morsiani                                            - Italy -

J. Cloo-de Vries                                                     - Netherlands -

Jan van de Belt                                                                                                                     - Netherlands -

Maria Küster                                                          - Netherlands -

M. C. Visser-Seltenrych                                         - Netherlands -

Gert van Oijen                                                        - Netherlands -

K. Hekman V. d. Ham                                            - Netherlands -

Hans Golverdingen                                                - Netherlands -

Dr. Otto Schimpf                                                     - Austria -

Carlos Lopez da Silva                                            - Portugal -

Dr. Martin König                                                     - Switzerland -

Roland Hans                                                                                                                        - Switzerland -

Christine Rossier                                                    - Switzerland -

Maurus Hügli                                                         - Switzerland -

Charles Cuenoud                                                  - Switzerland -

Julian Hernandez                                                   - Spain -

Otakar Vondrous                                                    - The Czech republic -

Karoly Kozma                                                        - Hungaries -

Joan Zielinski                                                         - USA -

Stan Zielinski                                                          - USA -

Robert E. Bostrom                                                  - USA -

Howard Dees                                                        - USA -

William Francis                                                       - USA –

Excused:

André de Groote (B), E. Gutknecht (Ch), Erwin Schmitt (G1), per Bay (DK), Ernst Kientsch (CH), Terry Munro (GB), Gegor van Eysden (G1)

Present guests:

Wolfgang Ketzler, WUSB-President (G1), Romy Prim, Jean Prim, Vice-. WUSB-President (L), Kari Augestad (Sp), Lesley Byles, Lesley Swain, Elaine Stockdale, Susan Wardie (GB), Ray Horlings, Winifred Vogel (USA), Kevin Young (Southafrica), Katharina Heiberg (N), Alice Klysner (DK)

1.        Greeting by the WUSB-President Wolfgang Ketzler

The WUSB-President, Mister Wolfgang Ketzler, opens the session and greets the present judges and guests. He introduces the simultaneous-translation, which is liked by the English speaking participants.

2.        Greeting-word of the president of the St. Bernhards-Klub Peter Brieskorn

Peter Brieskorn greets the judges from the different countries. He gives a short overview over the course of the events and appeals to the judges to put the function of the dogs with their evaluations into the foreground.

3.        Minutes of the last judges-meeting in Bagnara

No objections are raised against the minutesl of the last judges-meeting in Bagnara/Italy.

4.        Information from the member countries

5.        Current stand of the standard-discussion

Both items were discussed together.

Dr. Martin König reports on the suggestions of the Switzerland to the standard-commission. The Swiss St. Bernard-Club underlines the following points:

The upper arm is only little longer than the shoulder blade. 10 dogs were measured. These dogs showed 15 to 20% longer upper arms opposite the shoulder blade.

Following six insignias must be white: breast, paws, rod-top, nose-band. Blaze, neck-stain. One desires a white collar and a symmetrical dark mask. Faulty insignias are regarded as mistakes.

It turns out an active discussion about the colors and insignias of the St. Bernards. The judges come to the result that can be seen show and breeding separately respecting the neck-stain. With absence of the neck-stain, the dog can receive a VG. In countries with breeding license, this dog are cancelled from breeding. Reinhold Welsch thinks that this problem is not relevant. It is there still many white with our dogs and there are rarely dogs without neck-stain.

Also the mating Shorthair / Longhair is discussed severely, with which the opinions go strongly apart.

Peter Brieskorn reports on the dogs in the nature-historic museum in Bern. One must be aware of it which things one would like to reach. Health consequences would be accepted according to head-form of the dogs.

The goal should be to be found an unit in all countries.

Another topic was the Chippen of the dogs, that is stipulated by different countries. One discusses the expenses.

Dr. King reports from Switzerland, that the Transponder costs approximately 10 SFr and the Chippen 14 SFr, therefore altogether 24 SFr.

The dogs should be 20 months with the official selection for breeding.

Furthermore Dr. King informs, that the "intube?" is prohibited with narcoses of our dogs. It should be kept an eye on it.

The topic " judges-meetings " is spoken to by Carl-Otto Mastrup. He complains that always the time too barely is allocated and no possibilities exist  to a right discussion. He does the suggestion to separate the judges-meetings and the other WUSB-meetings, so that again can be discussed more intensively over all problems.

Wolfgang Ketzler explains that this was got rid of because of the wide arrivals (z.B. from USA) and the expenses. He proposes to take in the judges-meeting in the next year again themselves from more time to also discussing of dogs, and only to adjudicate after it, whether a separated judges-meeting is necessary and meaningful.

One agrees to him.

Werner Schmid is of the opinion, that always much would be discussed, but the results would not be moved.

Wolfgang Ketzler thanks the judges for the contributions and emphasizes again, that it is important to find an unit.

6.        Judge from St. Bernards (management: Reinhold Welsch)

Reinhold Welsch had invited several dog-owners with their St. Bernards. The dogs were presented to the judges on the outside-terrain.

The meeting was continued after it in the meeting-room and all judges had the chance to judge the dogs extensively and to discuss.

Wolfgang Ketzler thanks the judges for the active attendance and the interesting discussions and closes the meeting.         

(Erika Kalscheuer)

1. Secretary

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