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Minutes of
judges meeting 1999 Minutes of
delegates meeting
1999
MINUTES
of the judges-meeting on 02.04.1999 in
Matosinhos/Portugal
Beginning: 10.30 o'clock - end 13.15 o'clock
Present:
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Max Ruß
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Germany 2
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Erika Janes,
Secretary, |
Germany 1
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Werner
Schmid |
Germany 1
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Annegret
Splinter |
Germany 1
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Pat
Muggleton |
England
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Maureen
Gwilliam |
England
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J. Cloo de
Vries |
Netherlands |
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Jan van de
Belt |
Netherlands
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Maria
Küster |
Netherlands
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Dr. Otto
Schimpf |
Austria
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Joáo V.
Belmonte Pocas |
Portugal
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Dr. Martin
König |
Switzerland
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Christine
Wiederkehr |
Switzerland
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Roland Hans
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Switzerland
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Julian
Hernandez |
Spain
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Otakar
Vondrous |
The Czech
Republic |
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Carmello
Zappala |
USA
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Beverly
Nosiglia |
USA
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Gloria
Wallin |
USA
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Gerald
Wallin |
USA
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Excused:
André de Groote, Joseph van Hummelen, Freddy de
Meyer (B), Kay Klysner, Carl-Otto Mastrup, Per Bay, Kim Nielsen (DK),
Hermann Evers (G 2), Peter Brieskorn, Lutz Waßmann, Reinhold Welsch (G
1), Dr. Giovanni Morsiani (I), M. Visser-Seltenrijch, Hans Golverdingen,
I. Onstenk-Schenk (NL), Ernst Kientsch, E.,. Gutknecht, Charles Cuenoud
(CH), Ray Horlings (USA)
Present guests:
Wolfgang Ketzler, WUSB-President, Romy Prim, Jean
Prim, Vice-President (L),
Heinz Kalscheuer (G 1), Cheryl Zappala, Mike
Wingeier, Richard Nosiglia (USA), Kari Augestad (Sp), Katharina Heiberg
(N), Lesley Byles (GB), Bram Vervoorn (NL)
1. Greeting
The WUSB-President, Mister Wolfgang Ketzler, opens
the session and greets the present judges and guests.
2. Minutes of the last judges-meeting in Vejen
No objections are raised against the minutes of the
last judge-meeting in Vejen/Danmark.
3. Current situation the standard-discussion
Roland Hans is asked by the judges-meeting to
report on the current situation respecting the standard.
He reports, that the planned alterations
exclusively consist of the improvement of some formulations, so that the
standard becomes much clearer also for the allround-judges.
Single real alteration will be the description of
the height.
Bitches: until now: 65 cm - new: 70 cm
Male dogs: until now: 70 cm - new: 75 cm (with
tolerance in each case - 2 cm)
- Continuation of the teamwork taken place in Vejen
4.1 Description of single characteristics on the basis
of photos through the judges after a point-system
Erika Janes hands out a working paper to the
judges, in which were prepared drawings from the standard and a check
list for the judgment.
The judges had to solve the problem to judge three
different dogs on the basis of photos on transparency screened by
overhead projector.
The dogs were each case to see in stand from the
front, from the side and from the back. Furthermore, another photo of
the teeth from each dog was with it.
The analysis took place after points, with which 10
were the maximum-score.
4.2 Discussion of the results
After each judge for itself had judged the dogs,
the results were announced. The two judges with the highest and the
lowest point-score gave their explanations of the judgment of the
respective dog and put these to the discussion.
5. General Discussion
The single points were discussed extensively in the
following discussion.
Generally this type of the terms of reference was
assumed positively. The judges were of the opinion that such judgments
and the following discussions over it can contribute much to an approach
in reference on the judge-activity.
At the end, the WUSB-President thanks the judges
and guests for the good cooperation and wishes all another good course
of the more events.
(Erika Janes)
Hon. Secretary
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MINUTES
of the delegates-meeting on 02.04.1999 in
Matosinhos/Portugal
Beginning: 15.15 o'clock - end: 18.45 o'clock
Present are:
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Wolfgang
Ketzler, President, |
Germany 1
and Italy |
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Erika
Janes, Secretary, |
Germany 1
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Myriam
Theodon, from 17.15 o'clock, |
Belgium
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Herma
Broeckaert, from 17.15 o'clock, |
Belgium
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Lisa
Stisager |
Denmark
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Lause
Nielsen |
Denmark
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Max Ruß
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Germany 2
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Maureen
Gwilliam |
Great
Britain 1 |
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Pat
Muggleton |
Great
Britain 2 |
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Romy Prim
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Luxembourg
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Jean Prim,
Vice President |
Luxembourg |
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Bram
Vervoorn |
Netherlands
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Jan van de
Belt |
Netherlands
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Brunhild
Slyngstad |
Norway
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Liv Roe
Hage |
Norway
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Max Heide
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Austria
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Christine
Heide |
Austria
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Carlos
Vieira Rodrigues |
Portugal 1
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Carlos
Lopes da Silva |
Portugal 2
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Dr. Martin
König |
Switzerland
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Roland
Hans, Treasurer |
Switzerland
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Josep
Martin i Barbara |
Spain
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Julian
Hernandez |
Spain
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OtakarVondrous |
The Czech
republic |
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Gerald
Wallin |
USA
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Katharina
Heiberg |
USA
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Karoly
Kozma |
Hungaries
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Excused absent: Yvonne Bijisma (Austr.1 and. 2), Carl
Otto Mastrup (DK), Hermann Evers (D 2), Taina Nygard. Anne Härkönen
(Fin), Dr. Giovanni Morsiani, Dr. Sergio Villa (l), Hans Golverdingen
(NL), Elly M. Larson (N), Charles Cuenoud (CH), Ray Horiings (USA)
Present guests: Dr. Istvan Acs (Ungarn), Gloria Wallin
(USA), Beverly M. Nosiglia (USA), Heinz Kaischeuer (D), Christine
Wiederkehr (Schweiz), Lesley Byles (Großbritannien), Rosa Bianca Domingo
Ventura
1. Greeting and establishment of the count of
delegates
Wolfgang Ketzler greets the present and expresses
his joy that so many participants have found the way to Porto. He
desires the event a good course. No questions are asked to the
invitation.
The delegate-votes are announced: 24 present, from
17.15 o'clock: 26 present.
2. Minutes of Vejen
Roland Hans complains about the vote over the
election of the show for Germany. This vote was not understood of some
present. After short discussion, the delegates agreed, that the votes
should be counted in future by a teller. Such misunderstoodings should
be excluded with it. Otherwise, the minutes were passed by the
delegates. Unanimously
3. Report of the president and review on the last year
Wolfgang Ketzler gives the meeting an overview over
the activities of the WUSB in the last year.
Carlos da Silva thanks in the name of the Club
Portugues do Cao de Sao Bernardo the numerous guests who have found the
way to Porto and wishes all a beautiful weekend.
After it Wolfgang Ketzler reports on the many
letters and also protests he has got.
Bram Vervoorn speaks about the establisjment of the
North-South-forum. He sees this forum as rivalry to the WUSB and thinks
that the WUSB " has been given a "kick". As a result, a longer
discussion follows about the pros and cons of this forum. On inquiry,
Roland Hans tries to explain the background, that has led to the
establishment of the North-South-forum. He explains that Switzerland
wants to take part in the breeding-esteem in Germany. Also Denmark and
Italy want to try to undertake something in this direction. Roland Hans
emphasizes several times that the forum doesn't want to work against the
WUSB but supporting for the WUSB. Carlos da Silva proposes to establish
working groups.
After detailed discussions about the pros and cons
of the forum the delegates-meeting decides to wait one year and then to
decide which effect the work of the forum has.
4. Reports of the secretary and the treasurer
Erika Janes thanks to the single clubs for the
sending of their judges-listings. She gives the current list in
circulation in order to write down any alterations. After it the count
of members of the clubs are checked and corrected.
Roland Hans hands out the cash report. A
discrepancy about Australia was removed since the money should be
transferred to Germany. The cash report passes unanimously.
5. Report of the Switzerland about the current stand
of the standard-revision
Roland Hans reports on the current situation
respecting the standard. The only real alteration exists that new
size-statements should be fixed for the dogs.
Until now: bitches 65 cm, male dogs 70 cm,
New: bitches 70 cm, male dogs 75 cm (tolerance
downward 2 cm)
Otherwise, no factual alterations should be planned
in the text. Only the mode of expression should become improved, so that
also allround judges can interpret the standard without difficulties.
6. Debate about the reports and current situation in
the WUSB and it's member-clubs
This point is dispensed with the discussions gone
ahead. Wolfgang Ketzler asks the present to observe a minute's silence
in memory for the deceased of the last year among others Mademoiselle C.
Brault (F).
7. Election of two auditors according to. article. 21
of the new WUSB-Statutes
Proposed are:
1. Jan van de Belt (NL)
2. Christine Heide (A)
Both accept the election
Vote: unanimously
8. Membership-fees in Euro
Wolfgang Ketzler informs the delegates about the
height of the membership-fees in Euro.
He does following suggestion: 2,00 DM = 1 Euro
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until 250
club-members |
200 DM =
100 Euro |
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251 to 500
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350 DM =
175 Euro |
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501 to 750
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450 DM =
225 Euro |
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751 to 1000
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550 DM =
275 Euro |
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more than
1000 " |
650 DM =
325 Euro |
The delegates agree to the suggestion. Unanimously
9. Confirmation of the admission of the " English St.
Bernard-club " as full-member
Since the English St. Bernard-club has participated
from the beginning today takes place only a confirmation and not a new
admission.
Roland Hans asks, which standard is used in
England. Pat Muggleton explains that in England only the Kennel-Club
decides over the standard. However simultaneously she points out that
she judges as WUSB judge after the current FCI-Standard.
Wolfgang Ketzler points out it that the opening of
the WUSB for the clubs from England and USA was already decided after
detailed discussion in Zutphen. He is hopeful that the approach will
develop further.
Vote-result: 18 pros. Proposition assumed
10. Establishment of the hip-x-raying in all
member-clubs
How already presented extensively in the enclosure
of the invitation, Wolfgang Ketzler recommends that the member-clubs
should commit themselves to establish the hip x-raying within two years.
Lause Nielsen reports that in Denmark the x-raying
will start in the year 2000. According to Karoly Kozma from Hungaries
the x-raying there is prerequisite for the breeding. Kari Augestad
explains the problems in Spain. There, the Kennel-Club doesn't play
along. It exists the fear in the club to lose many members, because in
Spain can be bred also without a club. Also in the USA, an establishment
of the x-raying is not possible at the moment. X-raying was already
established again in Switzerland. Mister Dr. King emphasizes, that one
must have to the public arguments for healthy dog-breeding. Herma
Broeckaert tells that the Belgian club not yet plays along because the
umbrella organization also there doesn't stand behind. An active
discussion results from it with the result that the single clubs try to
establish the hip x-raying within the next two years.
Unanimously
11. Set up of a WUSB-breeding-committee
Like in the enclosure of the invitation already
explained, Wolfgang Ketzler recommends to establish a working group,
that consists from breeding responsibles or from board members of the
clubs, in order to clarify questions be waiting for discussion regarding
the breeding.
Bram Vervoorn proposes that one should let work the
established North-South-forum first for a while. In the next year, then
one should tell about this. He proposes the motion to adjourn the point
until the next year.
Vote-result: 24 yes, 1 abstention
12. Placing of the WUSB-Show 2002
The clubs from Belgium, Hungaries and the Czech
republic apply for the organization of the WUSB-Show in the year 2002.
These 3 clubs offer its arguments (Belgium:
30-years-jubilee, the Czech republic: 60 years). Karoly Kozma introduces
the Hungarian club and explains the delegates the potentialities to
organize the WUSB-Show in Hungary. After it the vote:
Result: Hungaries 12 votes - the Czech republic 7
votes - Belgium 6 votes. Therfore Hungary is the organizer of the
WUSB-Show in the year 2002.
13. Description of the hair-type also of predecessors
in the pedigrees
On proposition of the Swiss St. Bernhards-Clubs
should be descripted in the genealogical trees (Pedigree) the hair-type
of the parents and grand-parents, so that puppies out of mixt hairs are
mated with the hair-type, to which they correspond the best. It is
realized that in this point there's no call for action, because the
hair-type is already descripted in the genealogical trees of the various
countries.
15. Piece of information of the Italian club about the
WUSB-Show 2000
and election of the judges
The WUSB 2000 in Italy takes place from the 01.06.
until 04.06.2000 in Bagnara di Romagna.
Dr. Morsiani has written a detailed report over the
course of the weekend, that has reached already the delegates.
Wolfgang Ketzler announces the sequenze of the
events proposed by Dr. Morsiani. After it the dates of the WUSB would
not take place on two consecutive days. The delegates don't agree with
it. It is decided that the WUSB-events should take place like following:
Friday = meetings, Saturday = WUSB-Show.
Unanimously
The following judges were elected for the WUSB 2000
in Italy:
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Giovanni Morsiani (also chairman
of Judges) |
Italy
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Hans
Wiebauer |
Germany
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Dr. Martin
König |
Switzerland
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Karoly
Kozma |
Hungary
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Gabriele
Höllbacher |
Austria
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M. Visser-Seitenrijch
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Netherlands |
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Maureen
Gwilliam |
England
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Freddy de
Meyer |
Belgium
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Gunnel Holm
(reserve) |
Finland
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not yet
named (reserve) |
USA
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16. Motion of the Dutch club because of election of
judges
The motion has taken care of now, since already all
is proceeded this way according to the statutes.
17. Sundries
There is no request to speak.
Wolfgang Ketzler thanks the delegates and guests
for the good cooperation and wishes all a beautiful weekend and much
success in the show.
Erika Janes
Hon. Secretary
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