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World-Union of St. Bernard-Clubs

Minutes of the judges-meeting

 

MINUTES of the WUSB-delegates-meeting

on July 31st,1998 in Vejen/Dänemark

Present:

Wolfgang Ketzler (D) - President, Jean Priem (L) - Vice-President, Erika Janes (D) - First-Secretary, Roland Hans (Ch) - Treasurer, Ray Horlings (USA) - Second-Secretary.

Yvonne BijIsma (NSW u. Western-Australia), Herma Broeckaert (B), Carl-Otto Mastrup (Dk), Lause Nielsen (Dk), Hermann Evers (D - BCD), Maureen Gwilliam (GB), Pat Muggleton (GB), Mary Reid (GB - Schottland), Dr. Dinora Morsiani (I), Dr. Giovanni Morsiani (I), Romy Prim (L), Bram Vervoom (NL), Hans Golverdingen (NL), Liv Roe-Hagen (N), Elly M. Larsen (N), Max Heide (A), Christine Heide (A), Carlos Vieira Rodriges (P), Carlos Lopez da Silva (P), Charles Cuénoud (Ch), Irmgard Schönleber (Sp), Otakar Vondrous (Tch), Katarina Heiberg (USA).

Guests:

Jan v.d. Belt (Editor, NL), Heinz-Gert Kalscheuer (D), Jargen Aman (DK), Birgit Aman (DK), Kari Augestad (Sp), Peter Brieskom (D).

1. Greeting

The WUSB-President Wolfgang Ketzler greets the present delegates and opens the meeting.

2. a) Note of the delegates and members-count of the clubs

The President announces the number of the delegates and the memberships of the single clubs as far as known. He asks the representatives of the clubs to write down the exact membership on the presence-list.

In the context, the delegate of the Portuguese " Club Amigos Cao Sao Bernardo " Carlos Rodrigues introduces his club. He reads from a letter of the president, in which the ideas and aims of the club are introduced.

b) Judges-list:

Erika Janes asks once again to send the the names and addresses of the judges from the single countries.

3. Minutes from Luxembourg 1997

Bram Vervoorn complains about the point 6 at) in the minutes of the delegates-meeting 1997. After short discussion, a paragraph is formulated new like follows: the traffic-language of the WUSB is German, but English translations have to be made. The minutes are approved. Unanimously

4. at) President's report and discussion

Wolfgang Ketzler informs the meeting about the diverse correspondence in the last year. He asks the clubs for exchange of the club-magazines and thanks that clubs which did sent him their magazines reguarly. Simultaneously he complains, that his letter dated September 1997 unfortunately was not printed in the most magazines of the WUSB-members.

He thanks Jean Prim and his team for the beautiful show in Luxembourg 1997 and the achieved work. He thanks the Portuguese and Spanish club for the translations of the standard. The date of the WUSB show 1999 in Portugal is the 03.04. in Porto.

Furthermore, Wolfgang Ketzler reports on the still active correspondence respecting the standard and his interpretation in America as well as over a letter of the honorary-president of the WUSB in same matter. He informs about the Board's meeting from the 10.04.1998. The statutes of the WUSB were revised in this session. All objections and suggestions, that had entered until then, have been taken with it into account. The new version of the statutes was sent then in October 1998.

Wolfgang Ketzler emphasizes once again, that the health of our breed is a very important issue and that must be in this context thought of all countries also about the X-raying of the hips.

b) Treasurer's report

Roland Hans reads his cash-report. He complains, that only few countries have communicated the address of their treasurer until now. He needs the exact memberships, without which he can produce no bills. He asks the delegates to support him and distributes a form with the request to fill it. The delegates take note agreeing of the cash-report. Irmgard Schönleber suggests to let rest the membership, if the membership-fee was not paid for two years. As a result Roland Hans tells that all would have paid admitteldly, he however not exactly knows, whether the memberships are correct.

5. Discussion and passing the resolution of the new version of the Statutes and the Show-rules

Alterations were made with following articles of the draft of the statutes and the show-rules:

a) Statutes

Articles 1: Dr. Morsiani complains that the terms of the WUSB's name in Italian is missing. As a result a detailed discussion began, whether the name is necessary in different languages. Then Hans Golverdingen applies also to cancel the title in French. The delegates agree with it. Unanimously

Articles 13 at): It was put a proposition from Switzerland to give two delegate-votes to each club and not each country. A intensive discussion results from it. Wolfgang Ketzler puts the proposition to the vote: vote-result: 13 yes, 13 no. The proposition is rejected.

Then the changes are put to the vote as formulated in the draft of the statutes. Vote-result: 20 yes, 2 no, 4 forbearances. The alteration of this article of the statutes is passed.

Finally the delegates take a vote on the complete changed statutes. Vote-result: 20 yes, 2 no - The new version of the statutes is passed.

b)Show-rules

Point 4. Judging

Over the point 4 of the show rules is discussed extensively. Following changed text is put to the vote: " It is judged in 4 rings. Two judges per ring (all from different clubs), if the national umbrella organization doesn't prohibit this expressly. If the organizer should wish only one deciding judge, the first judge is that one with more experienc in years and the second judge is regarded as assistant ".

Roland Hans does the objection that the right to have a say of the organizing country should be bigger. Four judges should be named by the organizing country and four in the delegates-meeting. About the proposition of Roland Hans is voted separately: vote-result: 8 yes, 14 no. The proposition is rejected.

Then, more alterations are discussed in point 4.2. The 2nd sentence must mean: " The remaining 7 judges are chosen on the WUSB delegates-meeting of the previous year." 3rd und 4th sentence remains unchanged. 5th und 6th sentence: " The proposed judges must have judged on international shows at least twice and have to be listed on the judges-list written down by the WUSB-Board. They should have taken part in one WUSB-judges meeting within the last 3 years at least. 9th sentence: " A judge should not judge in 2 consecutive years in the WUSB."

Then the delegates take the vote on the show rules with the alterations decided today. Vote-result: unanimously

6. Membership-applications

On following membership-applications are voted: at) Hungary b) Scotland c) Czechien d) New Zealand.

The applications pass unanimously.

7. Last piece of information over the WUSB show 1998

Karl Otto Mastrup gives last information over the show on the coming Sunday here in Vejen and wishes a beautiful day, much success and to the judges a good hand.

8. at) WUSB-Show 1999 and election of the judges

Carlos da Silva gives an overview over the WUSB show 1999 in Porto in Portugal. He informs the delegates of the new date for the show: the new date is: 03.04.1999.

Following judges are chosen for this show:

Roland Hans (Switzerland) Dean of Judges Julian Hernandez (Spain)

Werner Schmid (Germany, StBK) Max Ruß (Germany, BCD)

Kim Nielsen (Denmark) Pat Muggleton (England)

Jan v. d. Belt (Netherlands) Dr. Otto Schimpf (Austria)

Otakar Vondrous (Czech republic)

Substitute-judges: 1. B. Nogsilia (USA), 2. Roger Vanhoenacker (B)

Since Kim Nielsen is not available in April 1999, B. Nogsilia moves up.

b) Delegates- and judges-meeting 1999

There should take place no meeting in connection with the show in Portugal.

<Later, after expressed motion of the Portugues club, the WUSB-Board decided to make a meeting in Porto.>

The St. Bernards-Club asks for assignement of the WUSB-Schau 2001 to Germany in the context with his 110-years-celebration. He asks furthermore about making an exception in the show rules so that he may select 3 of the 7 foreign judges. The majority of the meeting agrees to this proposition.

9. Miscellaneous

No reports

With that, the president Wolfgang Ketzler closes the delegates-meeting, wishes the judges a good course of the meeting on the next day and a beautiful stay in Denmark.

sgd. Erika Janes, secretary,

 

Minutes

of the meeting of the Judges and the Responsibles (Deans) for breeding

on August 1st, 1998 in Vejen/Dänemark

Present are:

Belgium: Herma Broeckaert, Joseph van Hummelen,

Denmark: Kay Klysner, Kim Nielsen, Carl Otto Mastrup, Per Bay,

              Germany, StBK,: Erika Janes, Reinhold Welsch, Werner Brammer, Lutz Waßmann, Annegret Splinter, Peter Brieskorn, Werner Moser (stud-book-keeper, from midday)

Germany, BCD,: Hermann Evers

Italy: Dr. Giovanni Morsiani

              Netherlands: J. van de Belt, Cloo de Vries, Martine Visser Seltenrych, Maria Kuster, Hans Golverdingen, K. Herman v. d. Ham, Geert van Oeyen

Norway: Elly M. Larsen

Switzerland: Christine Wiederkehr, Roland Hans,

              USA: Winnie Vogel, Horst Vogel, Gerald Wallin, Gloria Wallin, Ray Horlings, Carmelo Zappala, Cheryl Zappala,

England: Maureen Gwilliam

Scotland: Mary Reid, Pat Muggleton,

The Czech republic: Otakar Vondrous

Excused absent:

Werner Schmid, Erwin Brummel, Hans Wiebauer, Herbert Kasten, Gregor van Eysden, Max Ruß, André de Grothe, Gerrit Vliesghuis, Paul Baelen, Ilona Onstenk-Schenk, Ernst Kientsch, Julian Hernandez

Beginning: 09.20 o'clock, end: 17.00 o'clock

The WUSB-President, Mister Wolfgang Ketzler, greets the present judges and guests, wishes all an interesting day and above all, that the success expected by this meeting appears.

The President of the Danish club, Mister Eric Andersen, called a cordially welcome and wishes a good course of the meeting and a beautiful stay in Vejen. Then, he hands over the chair of the meeting to Carl Otto Mastrup and Per Bay.

First, the introduction of the new judges take place. The judges introduce themselves and give a short view over their development.

Then, Wolfgang Ketzler reports on the delegate-meeting respecting the show rules. The vote had following result: the judges for the WUSB shows are chosen in the delegates-meeting. They must have judged twice internationally in order to become active as judges and must written down on the judges-list of the WUSB.

The next WUSB-Show takes place in Porto/Portugal at the 03.04.1999.

For this show, the following judges have been chosen by the delegates-meeting:

Roland Hans (Switzerland) Dean of the judges

Julian Hernandez (Spain) Substitute-judges: 1. B. Nogsilia (USA)

Werner Schmid (Germany, StBK) 2. Roger Vanhoenacker(B)

Max Ruß (Germany, BCD)

Kim Nielsen (Denmark).

Pat Muggleton (England)

Jan v. d. Belt (Netherlands)

Dr. Otto Schimpf (Austria)

Otakar Vondrous (the Czech republic)

Since Kim Nielsen is not available in April 1999, B. Nogsilia moves up.

Carl Otto Mastrup expounds the present the intended events of the day: first there will be hold a lecture by Per Bay, then the group-discussion takes place. He hopes that by it can be achieved an approach of the judges and a standardization respecting the standard.

Per Bay explains the statics of the Saint Bernard. He shows very detailed how the ideal-dimensions should be and discusses extensively the single points. As basis drawings from Dr. A. Morsiani help which are made clear by a projector for all present. It is a very well prepared and instructive lecture, that deals with all details of the dog. Afterwards, Per Bay distributes a leaflet provided with drawings, in that all points are shown once more.

Wolfgang Ketzler thanks Per Bay for his outstanding work.

After it some dogs are showed. The single dogs are talked about and the judges discuss about different points. Then the teamwork takes place:

Roland Hans informs the judge-meeting, that even possible smaller alterations or corrections could be planned in the standard. He asks the judges to think about, what is possibly still important and could be altered.

The present judges are split up in five groups. Each group receives a topic as discussion-basis, in fact

1. Group: muzzle-length and deep

2. Group: head

3. Group: eyes

4. Group: size

5. Group: relationship length / height

The single groups set to work and discuss the topics.

The result of the teamworks is written on a foil and afterwards shown to the meeting with a Overhead projector and is explained by a participant from each group. The results resulting from it are discussed generally.

Roland Hans asks to get the notes in order to have a basis for possible standard-alterations. This is promised.

Reciprocal piece of information of the single clubs:

Werner Moser, stud-book-keeper in the St.,. Bernards Club, reads a drawing up over the goals of the breeding-valuation (Zuchtwertschätzung) and its effect on the breeding. Peter Brieskorn explains with foils the genetic backgrounds. He explains the probalities, that can be a result of different matings.

Werner Moser gives a view over the practical use of the breeding-valuation respecting the HD in the StBK. He shows different statistics, like the results look in the StBK. As next step, the expansion of the breeding-valuation is intended to the eyes and the tighteness.

Peter Brieskorn, animal-welfarist of the StBK, reports on the animal-protection in Europe and the effects interconnected with it on the breeding of our dogs. Werner Moser introduces the literature respecting the breeding-valuation, that can be got over Mister Prof. Boing of the university Gießen.

Wolfgang Ketzler asks, whether responsibles for breeding can be named by the single clubs. The question is negated mainly.

Wolfgang Ketzler thanks all, that have actively participated. He thanks in particular Per Bay for the very informative lecture and Werner Moser for the information over the breeding-valuation.

He closes the meeting and wishes all another beautiful stay in Vejen and the judges a happy hand for their activities on the next day.

sgd. Erika Janes,

Hon. Secretary

 

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